UG Krishnamurti in New York
In 1989 and 1990 as a student at REC Warangal, I read about Rajneesh and Jiddu Krishnamurti and listened to some of their tapes. I also visited Krishnamurti center in Madras in 1991 and Rajneesh Ashram in 1992 in Pune.I used to go for long walks listening, watching and being aware. I used to enjoy those days. Being aware gave me a high.
How did I come to know about J Krishnamurti?
In 1989 I was at a bicycle repair shop outside RECW campus. There I saw a gentleman holding a book "The Urgency of Change" by J Krishnamurti. I asked him if I can see the book. He let me look at the book. He is a non teaching staff member at RECW. After reading few paragraphs from the first chapter "Awareness" I felt like reading further. I asked him if I can borrow the book. He said fine.
Thereafter I read several books of JK and also listened to many audio casettes.
In the year 2001 I used to work at BEA Systems Inc. in San Jose CA.
In 2001 while searching for articles on Jiddu Krishnamurti on the internet I came across UG Krishnamurti. At first I felt he is a copy cat of the more famous Jiddu Krishnamurti. But as I read more about UG and watched his videos I felt UG is far better than Jiddu Krishnamurti.
However I had questions why he was against "awareness".
Once the video links in http://www.ugkrishnamurti.org/ug/ug_video/index.html did not work and I sent an email to the webmaster and I got a reply from Raj Mehta an Alumni of Stanford University. He asked me to contact Narayana Moorty. Narayana Moorty is professor of Philosophy from Vijayawada who settled in Monterey. He sent me a CD containing UG videos.
From that time I wanted to meet UG. I could have met UG when he visited Carmel CA but I missed the opportunity.
Finally I met UG Krishnamurti on Novemeber 6th 2005 in Manhattan New York.
I came to know UG whereabouts through Julie C Thayer.
I was living in Greenville SC at that time and working at Sealed Air Corporation. When I came to know of UG in New York I immediately booked a flight to New York and flew to New York the very next day. I didn't want to miss the opportunity of meeting UG.
Fall season is still there and I could see the colors of the trees.
UG stayed at a Hotel Affinia (formerly South Gate).
I reached the Hotel on Saturday evening 5th November.
A Bengali guy by name Sabyasachi Guha came and told me that UG cannot meet me today as he is with his relatives and asked me to come the next day.
That night I stayed at a friends house in Bronx NY. My wife Jayasri and 10 month old daughter Ananya also came with me.
Next day on November 6th Sunday I went out to meet UG. My wife couldn't come as it is difficult to manage with the daughter.
Once I reached the Hotel I was very exited and restless.
As I approached UG's room I could hear some Indian songs and clapping from the room. I could also hear UG's voice!
There were lot of shoes at the door. I left my sandals and went inside. There was a crowd inside and UG was being entertained by his great grandchildren.
UG gave me a chair and asked me to sit. I said I will sit on the floor but he said it is ok you can sit on the chair. I sat there and started keenly watching him. One of his great grand son is playing music from the laptop and other kids were dancing.
Once UG went to the kitchen and to eat idly and drink water.
I switched on my video camera and this is how my conversation went:
Raghu: Is it natural to have dreams?
UG: Unnatural! you don't have to take my word
Raghu: But dreaming is like fulfilling what is not fulfilled during the day
UG: Nothing! the interpretation of dreams is absolute rubbish!
Raghu: but....
UG: thats why I blast all psychoanalysts.
Raghu: but there is REM (Rapid Eye Movement) during the dreams.
UG: Nothing!
Raghu: doctors can examine whether there are dreams in the brain or not
UG: nothing! they are all dead who tried to examine me
Raghu: they can examine using brain waves
UG: brain doesn't exist! now they have found out...
Raghu: oh!
UG: what I said 50 years ago..
Raghu: aha!
UG: they accepted now are brains necessary?....Psychoanalysis is dead what you feel about it? It turned out that Freud was the stupendous fraud. He falsified all case histories. This statement I made 60 years ago. It has taken so many years for those scoundrels to understand.
Raghu: see...why....you said the body functions in a natural way...
UG: that means...the ideas that are put in there are falsifying the whole thing and making you believe what they think and what they say and they know what they are talking about...they know nothing! thats why one of my commandments - all the doctors should be shot dead on sight and at sight! We are damn fools to believe those scoundrels. Nobody in this world either the spiritual bastards or anybody in the world could influence me. I am sorry! you don't have to take my words. They could not touch anything in me. They are frightened!
Raghu: Are the new born babies in a natural state?
UG: No!
Raghu: they are not?
UG: The moment the mother kisses and introduces herself as mother she has already created and destroyed everything that is natural in the body. Thats why my mother... I kicked her it seems. She died within seven days. Every time she hugged me and kissed me and introduces herself as I am your mommy....my grandmother who watched the whole thing told me that you kicked her all the time and she couldn't take it and decided to die! Otherwise....
Raghu: but is there a way to allow the baby to flourish and be in the natural way throughout its life?
UG: We don't allow it because we can't live with them. We will have a chance to talk if you are hear.
Raghu: Yes sure!
Then UG walked from the kitchen towards the sofa.
UG: you think we need all those scoundrels? 40 of them dead those doctors! They have no chance with me. They can fool the whole of mankind but not me! So my commandment... shoot all doctors on sight and at sight! We don't need those bastards! And even doctor Leboyer was bragging.. Dr. Leboyer... have you heard of that scoundrel who talked of...
Julie: underwater birth
UG: and also traumatic experience.. (inaudible)...why the bitch took bath after two weeks of the birth of the baby? you are talking of traumatic experience? shut up! I said. He comes every time to see me. I don't tolerate those scoundrels. They can't fool me. They can fool the whole of mankind and it is your privilege and I am not interested in helping anybody and free from anything. I haven't learned anything from spiritual filthy bastards or even secular teachers. Cambridge bastards were shivering! When I said in 1940 Freud is the stupendous fraud of the 21st century. Why it took so many years for those scoundrels? to find out that he was a fraud. Why? that surprised (inaudible) who came to see me. Because he found that he falsified all the case histories. He did research in his archives. Are brains necessary? brain plus no part in the body. This I said 60 years ago. Now those scoundrels are to admit - are brains necessary? Psychoanalysis is dead! How do you feel? Why it took so many years for those scoundrels? they fooled themselves and fooled the who of mankind. Nobody could fooled me in any field.
Unknown (could be UG's grandson): It is a business for them.
UG : And we are damn fools! they thrive on the gullibility and credulity of the people. There is a market make money! It is one of the ways of making money.
Raghu: If you are in a natural state.. why...?
UG: You are in a natural state. The "why" is an idiotic question. Not that I am calling you an idiot. You want to know! and make it part of your knowledge.
Raghu: Am I already in a natural state?
UG: Certainly! are you ready to accept the fact that you are no different from an animal? Those scoundrels told you that you are not animals... you are not mechanical. Kick all those bastards! Throw them out of the window!
Turning to Guha...UG said: hey!....don't be so serious! your superconductivity is necessary for America otherwise it will be wiped out of this planet. ahahhaa! energy problems! can only be solved by you!
Guha: oh UG!
UG: so be nice. Anyway there is no future nowadays! either America or India. Both should be wiped out. India should go first. It has provided a chance for so many people to become criminals.
Guha: Land of the free and home of the brave
UG: How brave these people are...chicken hearted bastards! Americans! If America is wiped out nothing is lost. But you are not going to go gracefully without talking every form of life on this planet! not just human species. Now anyway a five year old hacker (snapped his fingers) can wipe the whole of America just like that. It almost happened that sixteen year old guy...they suppressed that matter and said that he was playing with music and by mistake he pressed it. There will be panic in this country. What will happen to your filthy marketing of your computers? They are the worst thing that ever happened. This provided living for you. Fine!
But most dangerous! Any five year old guy can just wipe out! Good luck to America and India. They were all bastards in India drinking Soma juice scoundrels and believed in all that spiritual shit. They fooled themselves and fooled the whole of mankind for centuries.
Got it?
Nobody could influence me. That was important for me. Not mankind and other human species. I don't give a damn. Sankaracharyas frightened before me. Madwacharyas! what chance do they have? Nothing! Even scientists and nuclear physicist they shiver! What happened to that top psychologist from Columbia University? He ran away! "What you are saying is true What will happen to me? I have to make money by teaching in the university". Go away! don't come back. It is not school boy's logic. I am right you are wrong that German shit. Everything that is worst in the world came from Germany. Not one good thing came out of it. I am sorry! But my good friends are from Germany. Those who give me lot of money are Germans! (laughs) thats why I have to love Germany.
Hey Bob is turning a film actor!
Raj Mehta: He got thousand dollars for acting
Raghu: Can awareness bring about...?
UG: Awareness doesn't exist! Who is that says that he is aware?
Raghu: Watching ones own thoughts
UG: Never! thoughts don't exist. You don't have to take my word. Those bastards cannot influence me. Show me the thought. It is about thought but not thought. All the shit that they put in your shit box. And all that is coming out is nothing but the oral shit. Ideas they put into your head.
Raghu: Recalling your past is nothing but thoughts.
UG: There is no past
Raghu: How could they write your Autobiography?
UG: Me writing an Autobiography? some bastard wrote it! You think I will ever write an Autobiography?
Raghu: No No! When they wrote you recollected from your past. They are thoughts.
UG: That is memory. To recognize that the sky is blue I kicked my grandmother when she told me that the sky is blue. You are telling me! The physical eye does not see the sky as blue. Shut up I told her. She was shivering! Ocular illusion. From then on every time you look you say the sky is blue. And you are wearing a black jacket. The physical eye does not see it as black. That bitch told me. Mothers are monsters kill them all! Thats my commandment! Paul whats happening?
You have come to the wrong man sir!
UG: Sorry sir! You came to the wrong man. Go to those bastards who will put more shit into your shit box and you can brag about that you have more knowledge than others.
Raghu: There is no one else available right now, J Krishnamurti Rajneesh are dead. Thats why I came to you.
UG: They are the filthy bastards. J Krishnamurti is the stupendous hoax of the 21st century . Freud is the stupendous fraud of the 21st century and Rajneesh was, is and will ever be the greatest porno avatar. He was a pimp who provided boys with girls and telling them that through tantric fucking you can get enlightenment. How many people have been enlightened? and we all fell for that. Pimps usually share money with boys and girls but that bastard took money from boys and girls and kept it all for himself. I admire J Krishnamurti for his sexapades. I admire him not for his filthy teaching but for his sexapades. I admire him because he kept his sexual affairs under the carpet. He was like a navy man who had girl at every port. He and I were brought up in the same atmosphere. Our teachers were the same. I knew that fellow so very well...inside up, upside down and across. Thank God there is no such thing as fourth dimension. If there is.....and that too! And one nuclear physicist came to see me with his girl friend and started talking for 25 minutes saying that there is no such thing as space. Oh I will be delighted. I know all about that I too read Physics... (to be continued......)
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